I think Carl was always exhorting us for the sake of our children, for the sake of a democratic society, to become at least comfortable with the methods and the language of science and that way, we could be informed decision makers in our society. I just think that his legacy, both in pioneering research for extraterrestrial intelligence which-- When he began working in this field, there were only a handful of distinguished scientists who would risk taking a scientific approach to such a sexy subject.